Peaceful Profits Podcast Ep. 110 - How Mandy Theis Revolutionized Online Art Education
Synopsis:
In this episode of the Peaceful Profits Podcast, Chanelle Nielsen interviews Mandy Theis, a classically trained artist and founder of the School of Atelier Arts.
Mandy shares how she revolutionized online art education by teaching realistic drawing and painting skills—even to people who think they “can’t draw a stick figure.”
She explains how Peaceful Profits helped her refine her offer, develop a high-converting email strategy, and scale her business while maintaining her mission to restore technical art training to modern education.
Discover how she uses podcasts, YouTube, low-ticket offers, and daily emails to build trust, pre-handle objections, and enroll ideal students into her flagship Atelier Painting Bootcamp.
A must-listen for educators, artists, and entrepreneurs alike.
Transcript:
Peaceful Profits Review: How Mandy Theis Revolutionized Online Art Education
Chanelle: [00:00:00] Hello, Peaceful Profits nation Chanelle here with an exciting client spotlight episode for you today. So today we welcome to the podcast, Mandy Theis. Mandy, so glad to have you here with us. Thank you for having me. Yeah. So Mandy is an [00:00:15] expert in Atelier training and art education. She taught me how to say that word, by the way.
Chanelle: Did I do okay? Did I say it right? Perfect. You nailed it. Wonderful. Okay. Atelier is something I was not familiar with before meeting [00:00:30] Mandy. So before I go on with all of your credentials and all the things that you do, I know there are listeners who also don't know what that is. So can you explain that term for us real quick?
Amanda: Of course. So atelier training is basically teaching someone how to paint realistically, [00:00:45] drawing and painting realistically. For example, Leonardo da Vinci didn't wake up painting the Mona Lisa. He trained in an atelier for 10 years to learn the skills and then he could paint the Mona Lisa.
Amanda: So that is the type of training that I do through my business and offer to students throughout the world. [00:01:00]
Chanelle: Okay, wonderful. Thank you for that background. So Mandy is also the former co president of the Washington Art Education Association and a sought after speaker for our education conferences. She's been featured in premier art magazines, including [00:01:15] Realism Today and Fine Art Connoisseur Magazine.
Chanelle: She is also the director of the School of Atelier Arts and teaches realistic drawing and painting skills. skills online. So I'm super excited to have you on the podcast today. You [00:01:30] joined us here at Peaceful Profits already having worked on your business and grown your business and you had a large email list, but your offer was not selling as well as you would have liked when you came here.
Chanelle: So your first step was refining your offer and that's often where we meet [00:01:45] people. We usually start there. I would love to hear about what that process was like for you and how your offer changed in that process.
Amanda: Sure. It was a lot more nebulous when I started and, I had just created this offer, but I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to [00:02:00] do.
Amanda: And I wasn't hitting like some of the targets that I knew I needed to be hitting as far as what I was charging for my offer. I had to rethink a little bit about what I was offering at what price point I was offering it and also offering something that wasn't going to suck [00:02:15] me in and consume all my time and resources.
Amanda: So offering something that was a really good value to my students. I knew that I wanted to be able to teach people efficiently, how to paint realistically online. And how do you craft an [00:02:30] offer that, does that for students? And then also, because I'm offering something that most people don't know what it is right away.
Amanda: Most people don't know what Atelier training is right away. There are people that are looking for realistic drawing painting, but they don't know it's called Atelier training. I have to [00:02:45] be a little educational in how I present my offer. And there's probably a longer lead time than maybe some other types of businesses where I'm educating my audience before they're ready for my larger offer.
Amanda: Did, when I came into the program, have a series of [00:03:00] smaller offers to get people on my mailing list and my mailing list is fairly robust. But I wasn't converting that mailing list into the core offer when I first started this program. And I've been working with the Peaceful Prophets team to improve that conversion rate and, help the people who are looking for [00:03:15] me, find me.
Amanda: Yeah. So
Chanelle: it's been, I'm curious to hear, you said, people don't always know. What they're looking for with you and that can be a really tricky thing when you like knowing how to talk about your [00:03:30] offer when the people that you're reaching don't even know how to talk about your offer. So how did you solve that problem?
Amanda: Part of it was changing the spelling, so Atelier was A T E L I E R. It's a French word. It means studio, but in [00:03:45] my core offer, I call it Atelier to help people remember it a little bit. So that's one thing that I did. And then also, in I call it atelier painting boot camp, right?
Amanda: So trying to get the word painting in there, the name of the [00:04:00] offer to help people understand a little bit better what it is and then also, through my email list and things like that, making sure that I'm educating a little bit in little bits and pieces, what the offer is. Et cetera.
Amanda: So most people come in on my list through one of my [00:04:15] optins. I offer a free color theory class, on my homepage at schoolofatelierarts. com. So these are people that have actually taken a somewhat serious level of training with me, through this, mini class.
Amanda: And, they're ready for more, but they don't know [00:04:30] what it is. And that's when they're more open to hearing about Atelier Painting Bootcamp.
Chanelle: Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Now, to get people to your opt ins in the first place what have you done to just to bring [00:04:45] people to your list and how are, in other words, how do people come in contact with you?
Chanelle: What are you doing to first draw people into your world?
Amanda: Okay. So I have a few ways that I'm currently using. So I have been doing the podcast touring quite a bit, [00:05:00] which I've been enjoying and, that's starting to draw some traffic to my website. I also have a blog called the Department of Aesthetics blog like the Department of Athletics, but it's the Department of Aesthetics and I'm starting to win some traffic there on [00:05:15] some, keywords.
Amanda: It turns out that my. Area is very niche. And so it's not too difficult for me to start winning some traffic words about Atelier in particular. So that's been helpful because the people searching Google for Atelier know what it is [00:05:30] and they're looking for me. That's helpful. And then I also run ads through Facebook that basically offer this free mini class I have online.
Amanda: And so I run the ads through Facebook. They buy the mini class. The mini class sells them [00:05:45] this 34 worksheet set that I have that complements the class, and I pretty much break even on my Facebook ads that way.
Chanelle: Okay. Amazing. Because then you've got this offer on the back end that you can sell to people.
Chanelle: So what do you [00:06:00] do? What have you done to market your offer?
Amanda: So my email list has been really strong. And then also a lot of people in my world are running YouTube channels. That's very popular. We're obviously Visual creatures as yeah, and the people [00:06:15] looking for painting training are looking on YouTube in particular.
Amanda: So I've actually started really targeting those. I was on a really wonderful YouTube show that's quite popular with a few 100, 000 subscribers on it. And that alone brought me a huge traffic [00:06:30] boost. And it was a win for both of us. It was one of their best ranking episodes and it was really good for me too.
Amanda: So So it, it ended up working out really well and, a lot of, it's interesting because, when I'm actually doing teaching, people see the teaching. A lot of people think that they [00:06:45] can't draw and paint realistically, that they either have it or they don't. Yeah. And there's. They can do about it, right?
Amanda: But that's not actually true. Learning how to draw and paint is no different from learning how to play an instrument or learning how to read, but you need someone that has the skills. And the reason so [00:07:00] many people feel like they can't do it is because, and I'm speaking as a licensed art teacher, as the former president of the Art Education Association in Washington, co president there That you know, in art education, the prevailing belief is that if our [00:07:15] teachers teach people technical skills, it will ruin their creativity.
Amanda: And so our teachers have been afraid for the last 50 years. This has been the prevailing philosophy to actually teach technical skills because they don't want to ruin their creativity. Out of fear of ruining student creativity, and so [00:07:30] people think that they don't have art because they had an art teacher that purposely didn't teach them the technical aspects of art because it was going to ruin their creativity, and then they take it upon themselves saying, Oh, I must not have it.
Amanda: So interesting. My business is more [00:07:45] than just, I like art. I want to teach people art. I'm actually, trying to shift an entire profession towards a direction that appreciates and teaches technical skills. I used to run a nonprofit organization called the Da Vinci initiative, and I, the [00:08:00] nonprofit world is.
Amanda: It's interesting, and I realized that instead of getting donations from people that I would, be beholden to, that I would rather directly, give the content to people, [00:08:15] and, I spent years with the nonprofit giving away this content, trying to teach people, and nobody I'd go to these art education conferences and things, and nobody took it that seriously because it was free and as soon as I started I had people very serious students [00:08:30] coming in who are, I just graduated.
Amanda: Aside from my business, I had a partnership with the Florence Academy of Art where I'm a professor of art there. And we got a program accredited. And so we just graduated our first cohort of art teachers that got several [00:08:45] years of atelier training and graduated them. And, I see that those students, they're there because they were willing to pay for it and they were willing to work hard and do the work because they were paying for it and it really changed my mindset.
Amanda: I feel like if I want serious [00:09:00] students that I need the students that are willing to put their money where their mouth is. That
Chanelle: is such a crucial lesson, and I hope everyone's listening to that because it is something that we think, oh, if I just give it away, then people will be interested when actually the opposite is [00:09:15] true.
Chanelle: If you pay those students that pay the people that come in with money. They are the ones that are going to take it seriously. And so that's a really powerful thing. Now I want to hear a little bit more about, so you mentioned you were on YouTube and [00:09:30] you've done podcasts. One thing that I'm curious about is you said that led to opt ins and, people in your world, what do you feel like you're doing in these platforms that's working?
Chanelle: Because sometimes people are going [00:09:45] on podcasts. They're, whether it's YouTube and it's video or just an audio podcast, they're going, they're sharing their work, but it doesn't always lead to people coming into their world. So how have you been able to share in a way that really [00:10:00] gets people to take action?
Amanda: It really matters in my world, which podcast I go on. I did the broader try a little bit of everything. I was on some interior design podcast talking about color. I've been, I've been here and there on some general podcasts, but the [00:10:15] ones that I'm realizing give me the greatest result are the ones that have audience.
Amanda: That are also looking for atelier training that have already found at least 1 person that they're following. These audiences are smaller than some of the major podcasts out there, you know. 1 of the most [00:10:30] successful podcasts in my world is, a couple 100, 000 people, which and other niches, that's nothing.
Amanda: But in this niche, that's huge. And it didn't matter. That was a smaller audience. I got a greater. Return a greater benefit from that audience than I did on this other podcast that had [00:10:45] many more subscribers than that. Finding at least for me, because I'm in such a specific field that there are people that are out there doing good things.
Amanda: Some of them are willing to cross pollinate with me. Others are not. But the ones that are, [00:11:00] we're both benefiting, we're getting record numbers on their podcasts and I'm getting audience that isn't abandoning them, but is really excited to have someone to add into their world. It's really worked out.
Amanda: That's
Chanelle: a really good insight is figuring out which podcasts work [00:11:15] for you. And then when you're on the actual podcast, how are what is your call to action? What are you saying? That's bringing people over.
Amanda: Because my offer is about. I can teach you how to draw and paint even if you can't even draw a stick figure, right?
Amanda: That's [00:11:30] the gist of it. But the people that are on these art podcasts or following these art podcasts, they already really like art. They're already trying to draw and paint. And so really it's about kind of proof of concept of how good of a teacher I am. And so when I'm on those art podcasts, especially the [00:11:45] YouTube videos, I gave a demonstration on why when you mix With whites, they look different depending on which, whether you're using titanium white or, criminant's white or whatever, how it affects your paint, right?
Amanda: And if you're able to teach them something that they didn't [00:12:00] know in a simple, straightforward manner in a small period of time, then they build that trust with you of, oh, I never knew that. I learned something new in just a small period of time that I didn't understand before. And then they're like, Oh, you mean I can [00:12:15] learn like this with you every week.
Amanda: So for me, I think because I care so much about teaching and that teaching is my passion and a skill set that I've been very deliberate about developing that, there's maybe a hundred people out there that are teaching utility training in some [00:12:30] form or another online. But at the ability to actually teach the information varies from instructor to instructor.
Amanda: Right? And what I'm pitching as come train with me, because not only do I have the knowledge, but I can efficiently teach it to you. That's my pitch. [00:12:45]
Chanelle: Yeah. That's really powerful and encouraging too, because I feel like if you're in the right space, what I hear you saying, if you're in the right space with the right people, then they're going to hear if they hear this thing that, it's just going to [00:13:00] spark something within them.
Chanelle: And I love that. That's really powerful. Now, one of the reasons that I wanted to have this conversation and have you on the podcast is because I've seen. As your business has grown and developed, you've really honed in on emails [00:13:15] and using email as a strategy to get people, on calls and into your offer.
Chanelle: So let's talk a little bit about that. So my first question for you is what kind of emails are you sending out?
Amanda: It's ever since I started Peaceful Profits. Actually, I have to [00:13:30] give my credit when he did that year end review special podcast or whatever, I wrote down all the little notes, but he said, how many emails are you sending?
Amanda: And I, at the time I was sending out one a week. And he's we send out 40 a month or something like that. And it just blew my mind. [00:13:45] And I'm like. Okay, I guess I'll try that. And I was, like, really intimidated by it for the same reasons I was intimidated to send any email ever. Before that, even sending a weekly email felt like too much.
Amanda: I was only sending monthly emails, right? But I started sending daily [00:14:00] emails and two things happened. The people that weren't serious got off my list, and the people that were serious became super engaged. And those were the people that started engaging in my class and enrolling in my class. Yeah.
Amanda: So is that what
Chanelle: you're currently doing? What's your current pace? How many [00:14:15] emails are you sending?
Amanda: Okay. I fell off the wagon this week. It's been a little bit of a challenge. I'm in the middle of a move and I am having some family events right now. But what I strive for is that I have a weekly [00:14:30] email that's automated that I do it every at the beginning of every year.
Amanda: And it's 52 emails that just go out. And. They give like a little bit of something like, Oh, check out this blog post or check out this podcast. Or did you [00:14:45] know this? They're teaching emails, right? So they're the stuff that my list loves more than anything, like those, like my goody emails, if you will.
Amanda: And then I also send out a daily email ever since I heard that podcast, with the exception of this week, but don't tell Mike, [00:15:00] so in those daily emails, I will pick a, I'm teaching online and my students have all sorts of questions. So I usually pick something that they're curious about and I'll write a little email about it.
Amanda: Okay, why do you use this white instead of that white? And then I'll like, write a little email about it. And then I'll [00:15:15] say, I'll weave in, in our, Online class. This you know today. We were discussing this and this is what I told my students. If you're interested in learning more, you should consider joining us.
Amanda: Here's how. And then also something else that's been really great that I put at [00:15:30] the bottom of every email. Now I saw on the bottom one of Mike's now, but it said went more from the school of Atelier arts. Listen to our podcast. And I have a link to podcast that I've done recently. You read more about art in our.
Amanda: I have three sets of worksheets [00:15:45] that I sell that are that lower level, offer, I'll be like, purchase our low cost worksheets. And I have the links to, and, I'm just consistently selling when I send out my daily emails, I make an extra bit of money when I don't send out my emails.
Amanda: I don't make that extra bit of money. And that more than anything else made me [00:16:00] realize the literal value of sending out a daily email, because As some of like once your list gets big enough, it starts getting pricey to send the email. So it's not just my Facebook ads that I want to be covering through, the Facebook advertising.
Amanda: I want to make sure that all of my business expenses are covered with these [00:16:15] low level things so that my larger offer actually pays my bills and my salary. And I'm not, working for peanuts in my own business and having a salary that's greater to or equal than a teacher's salary.
Amanda: Yeah. So that's the goal. [00:16:30] And it's exciting to see how, as it grows that I'm meeting these, financial goals. Yeah, that
Chanelle: is exciting. That's amazing to see. And a couple of questions. So do you in every single email, is there a call to action? Yes. [00:16:45] So
Amanda: In the goody emails, it's whatever I talk about in the goody email, I'll link a product that is whatever's most related to what I'm talking about in the email in the discussion, emails I always put a call to action to the online class [00:17:00] and it's been that consistency and also learning through all those many emails, Which pain points are the ones that my students are feeling the most.
Amanda: And right now it's the ones that are feeling like if they can't study out initially a full time, then they can't do it at all. And [00:17:15] my whole class was designed for people that are working full time. And in particular for our teachers that are working full time, because a lot of my followers are our teachers so that they can get a little bit of training consistently throughout the week that they don't have to [00:17:30] have these massive amounts of time.
Amanda: And that has made a huge difference, like hitting on that pain point. Pain points and helping students and then, having those students enroll in the class. And then, many of them have given me permission to share snippets of, I didn't think I had time for this, and now I do. [00:17:45] So it's been like this cycle that feeds itself.
Amanda: Helping people gain the confidence. It is so scary for people who tried art and feel like they don't have it to try it again. Yeah. It's terrifying to them. So anything I can do [00:18:00] to offer reassurance to them to, have other students speak to them, to have these snippets of what's going on the class to show them how safe it is that it's okay that they can learn this.
Amanda: They can learn this at their own pace. That the class is there to support them, that those are the [00:18:15] things that they most want to hear. And when I'm able to show them that it is safe for them to get the training, that's when they're able to, Overcome their fear and sign up for the program.
Chanelle: And what I hear there that's so powerful is you are pre handling their objections [00:18:30] because instead of then, them coming later and saying, Oh, I really want to do this, I work a full time job. I can't. They're reading the email or hearing an experience from someone who has a full time job or who's.
Chanelle: saying, I didn't have time to do this. And now that objection just goes [00:18:45] right out the window. And and again, with this deepest, darkest fear of I tried it and I can't do it right. As you can continue to break down that barrier and get rid of that objection, then that just opens the door for them to say, [00:19:00] okay, I actually, I am interested and let's go ahead and take some steps here.
Amanda: And I found that I've done a better job educating and illuminating some objections than others, I think I've done a really good job proving to them that I can teach them how to [00:19:15] draw and paint, like they've seen enough of me teaching through the little freebies and the, that they're like, okay.
Amanda: I think that she can and now the bigger objection that I haven't spent as much time addressing is do I have time? And so I've been really focused on that one now.
Chanelle: Yeah, that's so great. And as you work [00:19:30] through those, different people have different objections, right?
Chanelle: So as you keep sending emails and you continue to send that out and to nurture your list, you're hitting all of those different objections, those different pain points of the different people. So I think that's really a powerful strategy to [00:19:45] help you move forward. Now I want to ask because this is a question that I get a lot in coaching is people say, I only have the one offer.
Chanelle: Now you mentioned you have some smaller offers as well, but for many people, they just have one high ticket offer. I [00:20:00] only have one high ticket offer. Isn't my list going to get tired of hearing that over and over? What would be your answer to that?
Amanda: I was worried about that, too. And I was worried about sending a daily email.
Amanda: But if you're doing it in a gentle way that weaves in [00:20:15] authentically to what you're saying, and not just I got you. And by the way, this is actually a sales email. So I'll talk about Hey, this might be an email. One of my students was worried that she wouldn't have enough time to paint this week, and I encouraged her [00:20:30] to just mix her paint up and sit in front even if she, didn't feel like she had time, just sit in front of her art for 10 minutes, each day.
Amanda: And she ended up picking up her palette and painting in those 10 minutes, and she didn't think that she could, get anything done. In just 10 minutes, and I'll send out like a little [00:20:45] picture if the student gave me permission because they're building their Instagram following to, as artists and things like that.
Amanda: So they're usually very happy when I send out. Yeah, through the email. It's good for them. It's good for me. And I'm meeting the objection. And, so this student was able [00:21:00] to achieve this in the class. If you're at home and you only have 10 minutes, try just sitting in front of your art for 10 minutes, even if you think you don't have time to work on it.
Amanda: And let me know how it goes for you respond directly to this email. And if you'd like to sit in our class for 10 minutes, you can join here, right? [00:21:15] So just trying to give them something that's actually useful and valuable to them. That they still need to sign up for the class if they want to learn the techniques, right?
Amanda: Like telling them 10 minutes, you can still do it. That's not giving away the farm. But it is helping [00:21:30] them. Teaching them that, yes, you can do this in small increments of time. And our class is really awesome. Look how funny the student was or how great the group was this week. Don't you want to be a part of it?
Amanda: You can join us here.
Chanelle: Yeah. I can just tell in the way that you talk about your email, how much [00:21:45] value is in those emails, right? It's really things that people need. And I think you've really honed in very well on, your. Ideal dream client, you know who you want to work with and you're able to speak [00:22:00] exactly to them.
Chanelle: So I think that's really powerful
Amanda: and I think the other thing to at least for me is that email suits my personality and how I like I like to think a little bit about what I'm going to say. I like that. I can schedule them ahead of [00:22:15] time. I particularly disliked social media, even though most artists, build their following on Instagram.
Amanda: I have an Instagram at mandyfineartist, but it's not what drives my business. That's just for me to post and I only, share with my collectors, that Instagram, [00:22:30] if they want to see what I have available at any given point in time. But I just generally dislike social media.
Amanda: I have the Facebook ads, but I'm not on there all that much. That's just running in the background. But I do actually enjoy writing these emails and I love it when they [00:22:45] respond to me. I love having these conversations that often go back three or four or five emails, back and forth.
Amanda: I do warn you that someone can write a much longer nasty gram in email than on whatever the limiting characters Media site. So occasionally I'll get a nasty gram. [00:23:00] But it's fine. You also get love letters, right? Like people that just, there you go. Love everything that you do.
Amanda: So any, I have a folder that saves all my nice things that people written about me. And if I bother to read an gram sometimes you can usually tell when the first sentence or two if [00:23:15] it's an gram. If I get an gram, I'll just remove them from my list. I try not to read too much of it. If it. If it's a critique, it's not a problem, but if they're, name calling and things like that, then I just I, I don't address it and I remove them from my, my, [00:23:30] your world.
Chanelle: Yeah. And that's such a good thought to keep all the good ones too, to go back and reference. Cause we all need those reminders at some point.
Amanda: Yeah, you have to be, you have to be really tough [00:23:45] to be an artist and you also have to be really tough to build a business, it's creating anything requires a lot of bravery and it does.
Amanda: It is a unconventional path and there are people that don't [00:24:00] understand it and feel like you're cheating the system somehow that, I'm able to paint a good portion of my day. I must be cheating. So there's a lot of, have, I found that as I've been building my business, I've been [00:24:15] building myself and those things aren't really separate.
Chanelle: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think most of us would say the same. That is, that's how it goes in business because of that piece you touched on of that vulnerability of creating and putting something out [00:24:30] there. And it's definitely a growth process. I wanted to talk about some recent success. Tell us about a recent success you've had.
Amanda: Oh I touched on a little bit, but that one YouTube guest class that I taught was [00:24:45] fabulous. I'm still getting people writing me and that are just watching it now. So I gave that class maybe a month ago. And I'm still getting these notes about this class and, oh, do you teach?
Amanda: And, so there's just, it was such the perfect audience for [00:25:00] what. What I had to share, I happened to pick the right thing to share with that audience that was a little bit of a higher level of knowledge than I would normally teach because that audience was more educated on my topic than most audiences are and I'm thinking that I've learned so much from [00:25:15] that and to be seeking out opportunities to, cross pollinate with, the pre curated audiences like that one.
Amanda: So I just thought it was great success. Yeah.
Chanelle: Congratulations on that. That is. And I've heard you [00:25:30] say a couple of times on this podcast, this idea of it was good for them. You said this about this particular YouTube episode. It was good for them and it was good for me. And I see that's how you are running your business.
Chanelle: And I just wanted to highlight that because that's so powerful. [00:25:45] You are In a, a client facing a service based business. And most of us are, and when we have that attitude, whether it's people we're collaborating with on podcasts, whether it's our clients, we want everything to be that good for them.
Chanelle: Good for me. And [00:26:00] it just it helps everyone. So I love that. That's your attitude.
Amanda: Absolutely. Especially being an artist, we tend to be really isolated creatures, you know, we don't, I don't paint with anybody, right? At least musicians, they have to work with others to make [00:26:15] their music most sometimes, or other fields.
Amanda: And I didn't know how to collaborate with other artists until. Recently, it didn't occur to me. What would that look like? Or, because how do you even do that? If it's just you painting, so, I think I [00:26:30] unlocked something there that I'm looking forward to exploring.
Amanda: That's so
Chanelle: cool. Now, what advice would you give to others who are listening today are inspired by what you've said and want to improve their nurture through email?
Amanda: You just have to [00:26:45] press the send button every day. And you'll learn so much by sending one every day, you'll see which ones do well, which ones bomb, which ones get, half your list cut in half or which ones, purchase all of your core offer, right?
Amanda: So [00:27:00] it's such a, it's such an immediate feedback and you're, you're building an audience that actually wants to hear from you. Like they're on your email list because they want to hear from you. I have thousands and thousands of people that want to hear from me every day. And it's.
Amanda: It's pretty [00:27:15] cool. And it's so powerful. And my favorite thing about email is that it can't be taken away. Like when you build your audience on Instagram, especially this has happened to artists, friends of mine, especially cause we our classical artists, we paint a lot of nudes, we draw a lot of nude figures and you want to share your work, but then [00:27:30] you get banned because somebody saw your drawing, thought that it was porn and it's not, and so people in my world get kicked off of social media all the time.
Amanda: They have to choose between showing their work or getting it on social media. But, I [00:27:45] can send those, images of my drawings without worrying about it through my email. I can no social media platform can kick me off. I have these email addresses forever, right? They're mine. I'm building my audience in a way that I can control, and that is not true for social media.
Amanda: I'm not, I think social [00:28:00] media has a place, but the place is building your email list as far as I'm concerned.
Chanelle: Yeah.
Amanda: Yes. And
Chanelle: then to take that next step and send it, I love that, to put it out in the world, to not be too afraid to hit send. I think that's really great advice. [00:28:15] Now to wrap up this episode, how can our listeners find out more about you and what you're up to?
Amanda: Sure. I would love it if you visit our website at www. schoolofatelierarts. com. You can follow me on Instagram if you just want to look at pretty pictures at Mandy [00:28:30] Fine Artist. And if you are curious about learning how to draw and paint realistically you can take a little mini class I have on our homepage on the website.
Amanda: It's free. You can sign up for it. And my promise to anybody who takes that class is that by the end of one hour, you [00:28:45] will be able to see colors that you've never seen before.
Chanelle: Oh, that is a cool promise. That is very intriguing and I love it. And I think, first of all, I'm sure we have lots of listeners who are, interested in that promise just in and of [00:29:00] itself.
Chanelle: But I hope as business owners with our entrepreneur hat on that you all heard what she just did there, just in this little call to action. It wasn't right. Oh, go check out my class. It's good. Go check it out, right? [00:29:15] You opened up this whole feedback loop in our minds of like colors I haven't seen before.
Chanelle: What is that? I better get over there right now. So school, repeat the website for us one more time.
Amanda: So it's school of AtelierArts. com [00:29:30] and Atelier is spelled A T E L I E R. But the cool thing is that I'm winning that search word right now. So if you just type in anything that's close to Atelier, it'll probably land you on my website.
Amanda: Perfect.
Chanelle: All right. Mandy Tice, thank you. It has been so great to [00:29:45] learn from you. Thank you everyone for being here and we'll see you next time.
