Peaceful Profits Podcast Ep. 80 - How to Fix a “Broken” Email List
Synopsis:
In this inspiring client spotlight episode, Host Chanelle sits down with Natalie Hill—an experienced online course creator and longtime educator—to discuss how she turned burnout and a "cold" email list into a thriving, peaceful business.
Natalie shares her transformational journey from teaching kids with dyslexia to launching her own premium gamified program, Wisdom to Wealth.
She opens up about the emotional breakthroughs behind writing her book Binge-Worthy, the surprising results of her re-engaged email list, and her upcoming Facebook ads funnel launch.
Whether you're new to the online business world or deep into scaling, Natalie's story proves it's never too late to do meaningful work on your terms.
Transcript:
Peaceful Profits Review: How to Fix a “Broken” Email List
[00:00:00] Chanelle: Hello, Peaceful Profits Nation. Chanelle here with an exciting client spotlight episode for you today. So today we're talking to our client, Natalie Hill. Natalie, welcome to the podcast. Thank you Chanelle. Yeah, we're excited to have you and to dive in and learn about your business. So Natalie created her first website in 2007 while taking a class about how to share your wisdom with the world.
[00:00:24] Chanelle: With that class, she discovered a hidden dream. That dream was to share her passion and expertise online, help people [00:00:30] all over the world, work from anywhere and earn as much money as she wanted. And Natalie says, using my sense of adventure and my 20 years success. Hi, everyone. My name is experience as a classroom teacher, I quickly began offering online courses, then teaching others how to turn their own skills, wisdom and expertise into online courses.
[00:00:48] Chanelle: I've launched dozens of my own online courses and help thousands of students launch their own when I'm not turning complex processes into simple step by step systems that are practical, fun and engaging. I'm [00:01:00] adventuring. I like hiking, hot yoga, painting, practical magic, changing my mind with what I call shadow dancing.
[00:01:07] Chanelle: Sweating in a hot sauna and exploring the world above all, I believe we all have incredible potential. That's ours to discover and develop offering online courses gives us an opportunity to face and heal our fear of standing out so that we can give our gifts. And when we do that, we open ourselves up to a world of contribution, adventure, freedom, wealth, and lots of fun.
[00:01:28] Chanelle: Oh, I love [00:01:30] it. Reading that just makes me want to Grab a cup of tea. Herbal tea is what I drink and come and sit with you and learn all about all of these things. And I wish we had longer to dive into all of them because they're so much fun, but obviously for Peaceful Profits, we are going to dive into the business side today.
[00:01:51] Chanelle: And you've been in business a long time since 2007. So let's go back to the early days. What was your business like [00:02:00] then?
[00:02:00] Natalie: In 2007, I was working for myself, but it wasn't in any kind of an online business. I was a reading consultant, I was training teachers, and I had a private practice teaching older kids how to read.
[00:02:13] Natalie: These were mostly Kids with dyslexia, and they didn't know how to read. So that's what I was doing when I took this class of how to create a website, based on your passion, you write articles. Now they would call this a blog, wasn't called that then and then basically how to do SEO.
[00:02:27] Natalie: So how you could get the pages discovered, [00:02:30] seeing how they would show up basically on the first page of Google. And that's when I had the dream planted in me, but it wasn't clear at all. I didn't see myself creating online courses yet. Yeah. In any way, until I took this fateful vacation to Costa Rica with a friend.
[00:02:47] Natalie: We, we spent a whole month in Costa Rica and I had rented this funky orange bicycle for a dollar a day and I was exploring every morning and this one morning, it was like five days into the trip, I was on the beach walking barefoot in the [00:03:00] sand with my funky orange bicycle propped up against a coconut palm and I had this realization that I felt I just felt like I was in bliss.
[00:03:09] Natalie: And I thought, wow, this is the way my life is supposed to feel. And then as soon as I thought that, I realized, oh my gosh, I have hardly ever in my life felt this good. And I felt horrible. And then I made it even worse because the next day, Two thoughts were, and now it's too late because you're too old.
[00:03:29] Natalie: And so [00:03:30] I had the good sense to turn around and head the other way back down the beach, and I thought, okay, if you keep thinking this way, you really are going to destroy your precious life, because it's probably not going to last much longer. What do you want to think instead? And I said I want to, first of all, I'm not too old.
[00:03:46] Natalie: I will never be too old to live my precious life. And I'm going to find a way to do work that I love from anywhere in the world I want to live, working with people that I love helping and making as much money [00:04:00] as I want to make. And this little voice on my shoulder, my right shoulder, said, I can still remember it, it said, You don't have an effing clue how to do that.
[00:04:09] Natalie: And I said, You're right, I don't, but I will figure it out. And Chanelle, I came home from that vacation, I the next day I went to the hardware store and bought a for sale sign, which I put in my kitchen window. And really that was the beginning Of my adventure because I ended up selling and giving away everything I owned.
[00:04:27] Natalie: I moved to Thailand where I [00:04:30] did start my own. I started my online business before I went because I hired my first business coach before I left everything. But that's where I started my business. And so I think the journey really started with that course that I took on how to create a website. But it continued.
[00:04:45] Natalie: And of course, it's continuing to this day.
[00:04:47] Chanelle: Yeah. I love how this isn't just a business transformation, but a whole life transformation of what is possible for me. And I love this piece about not being [00:05:00] too old because it's something that we tell ourselves, Oh, that opportunity is, it's too late for me.
[00:05:07] Chanelle: It's, I can't do that now. And it's an excuse. It's an excuse that we give ourselves. And so I love that you shot that down and you said, no, I'm moving forward with this.
[00:05:18] Natalie: Yeah,
[00:05:18] Chanelle: and that was like
[00:05:19] Natalie: 15 years ago. So if I thought I was too old then, but I just realized you're just never too old. It's only in your head.
[00:05:27] Natalie: If you think you're too old for something, you can't do [00:05:30] something. It's not reality. Yeah.
[00:05:32] Chanelle: Yeah. Okay. I love it. So you were in business for a while traveling the world also. And then eventually you came here to Peaceful Profits. So You had been in business for a while at that point. What were you looking to change in your business that led you here?
[00:05:48] Natalie: Yeah. I started that business in 2010 and I had studied a lot of online marketing. I'm really I'm quite experienced and knowledgeable about online marketing. I've had some great teachers over the [00:06:00] years. And so I had grown a list and I had done video launches and I had done challenges and I had done telesummits and I had done all of these things to grow my list, attract an audience and to, sell, but it was exhausting.
[00:06:15] Natalie: It's just the whole launch cycle can be so exhausting. And I really felt like physically I was burnt out. I just didn't want to do it anymore. So when I saw Mike's One book millions book and I started I actually listened to the audio version of [00:06:30] it. I just realized this is it. This is, I want to do this.
[00:06:32] Natalie: This is exactly how I want to run my business in a more calm, relaxed way. And so I was at that time, I was masterminding with Brenda Wallenberg, who is another Peaceful Profits student. And we, so we've been masterminding together weekly for four years. And we both bought the book. We didn't tell each other.
[00:06:52] Natalie: We both bought the book off of a Facebook ad, and we were both reading it. And then, in one of our masterminds, one of us mentioned to it, to each other. [00:07:00] And so she, she wrote her book. I should, she spent about two months. She wrote that book. I don't know how, I know how she did it, but it was so inspiring to me.
[00:07:08] Natalie: And so I joined Peaceful Profits before she did. I joined Peaceful Profits because I realized, hey, it's not just the book. You've got to have a premium program. You've got to have, you've got to have the whole thing going. And so we did a little bit of leapfrog, but she was very inspiring to me.
[00:07:23] Natalie: And then I just. I just wanted the, I just kept holding the vision, the Peaceful [00:07:30] Profits vision. And so I just worked through a program and kept doing the whole thing. Yeah.
[00:07:36] Chanelle: Oh, I love that. And I, that's so fun that you and Brenda had worked together previously and had masterminded. And it's always fun to have a friend to do these things with.
[00:07:47] Chanelle: As far as the Peaceful Profits Method, where are you at in your process of completing your book and running your Facebook ads funnel? I'm very excited about this. So my book is finished. My book is finished. [00:08:00] And I am, I have, so there's four, there's a bunch of bonuses that come with the book. The one bonus that I haven't finished is I haven't recorded my book.
[00:08:09] Natalie: I'm going to do an audio of it myself, but there's four products that go with the Facebook ads funnel. And I am finished with those four products. And I have just shot the last video that goes on one of the sales pages. And my graphic artist is finishing up some graphics to go on the sales pages, but it is like really close.
[00:08:28] Natalie: Like I've done this [00:08:30] whole robust resources page. I've done, A time to get it all ready. I have saved 10, 000 to, I don't know how much money I will need for the Facebook ads until it starts until I start earning more than I'm spending, but I've got that set aside. So I'm ready to go.
[00:08:47] Chanelle: Yes. Okay.
[00:08:48] Chanelle: That is so awesome. I'm excited for you that you've put all that together and that you are in this process and just. Those final pieces left to, [00:09:00] to get going. So that's exciting because what that really allows you to do, of course, is scale is really ramp up what you've been doing. So let's talk a little bit more about your business.
[00:09:10] Chanelle: You help people create online courses. So talk to us a little bit about what you actually do, what your process is and how you help clients. Okay, awesome.
[00:09:20] Natalie: So I have this, I call it an academy. It's called Wisdom to Wealth, and it's made up of three different online courses. So when people enroll in Wisdom to [00:09:30] Wealth, they are in it for seven months, and the three courses that they take, the first one is called Launch Your Pilot.
[00:09:36] Natalie: And so this is the, this is what I've been teaching for many years, but every year I get better and better at simplifying it down to just the bare essentials that people need. And so to launch a pilot, it's great because a pilot, it's like an experiment, it's a small version of an online course.
[00:09:53] Natalie: And so that's what they do first. And I have. The first course is called attract your audience, and it's about methods of attracting their first students, their pilot [00:10:00] students that are very easy that don't require ads or social media or having an email list or having a following at all. And so that's the first thing.
[00:10:11] Natalie: And then the second course, because once you've launched your pilot now you're ready to do it again and do it bigger. And so the second course is called attract your audience. Now you're ready to grow an email list or attract an audience, so that you have more people. available for your next online course.
[00:10:27] Natalie: And then the third course is called [00:10:30] Scale Your Business, and that's where now they go bigger. And what I teach in Scale Your Business is to create what I call a legacy program. And like for example, my student Darlene she launched her pilot and then she launched the same course, bigger and better four times.
[00:10:45] Natalie: And then she created a year long course. She works with writers and she created her year long course for writers. And she enrolled like 11 people at 2, 500. And all of those people re enrolled for the next year. And now she's enrolled four more at [00:11:00] 3, 000. And so this is the way, this is the way I teach people to scale their business.
[00:11:04] Natalie: And so that's what I'm doing.
[00:11:06] Chanelle: Oh, that's so good. There's so many genius elements in your offer that I can hear right off the bat, this idea of quick wins, right? You have your people come in and just create something and get them out of their own way because so often people are in their own way.
[00:11:24] Chanelle: They just, I have this idea and I have this course, and I love that you have said that. Simplified it down to it's [00:11:30] just a pilot. We're going to make this simple. And the method of attracting their first student easily. That's genius. So do your clients see wins relatively quickly in your program? The
[00:11:41] Natalie: goal is to finish launch your pilot within 90 days.
[00:11:44] Natalie: So that's the goal. And my book is called binge worthy. And so I make my courses to be binge worthy. They're all gamified, which means they earn points and they have rewards. They have little rewards for completing each module, within [00:12:00] a certain time frame. And there's also a lot of community and connection built into all my courses, both in the online part, but also in my, in all of my live calls.
[00:12:10] Natalie: And like I have a student right now, a new student who's already in module three, he won the prize for module one, he won the prize for module two, he's just going for it. And a lot of the students that I get are people who are very frustrated because they've tried a bunch of different methods that are usually beyond where they are.
[00:12:29] Natalie: are. They [00:12:30] don't realize it because everybody's such a good marketer out there. And so they take something that advises them to do some method of client attraction that doesn't match their current level of business development. And it's really frustrating. Yeah, that can be a couple thousand dollars or more, but it doesn't get them.
[00:12:49] Natalie: And it's business success,
[00:12:51] Chanelle: okay. So I love that, that there's making that gamified is such a good idea. And the title of your book, binge worthy. So fun. [00:13:00] We'll be sure and talk about that. No, this obviously we're seeing. this program, after it's been created and it's beautiful and it's flowing and it's wonderful.
[00:13:14] Chanelle: What challenges have you had along the way to create this to get to where you are now?
[00:13:20] Natalie: For me, course creation It's the easiest thing because I was a teacher. I was like a teacher for 20 years. So it's really easy for me to create a course. [00:13:30] The challenge for everybody who's in any kind of a business is attracting clients.
[00:13:35] Natalie: This is always the challenge. How are you going to do it? And so with an online business with online courses for many people who come there and for me too, I came as a teacher. How in the world do I do this? And this is what led me to burnout because I did three different tele summits.
[00:13:51] Natalie: People don't know that, what they are. It's like an interview series where I interviewed a bunch of people and you grow your list because the people who you interview, they mail for [00:14:00] you. And so they're not as common now as they used to be. Now people are more podcasting, but they're still doing those things.
[00:14:08] Natalie: So the challenges for me were, growing an audience and finding an audience. So what I did is I partnered with a man who had been one of my mentors, and then we became business partners and friends. And we collaborated for about. five years. And this was great because I did most of the work.
[00:14:26] Natalie: He's a pro at this stuff, but I did most of the work. I did all the [00:14:30] admin, but he had a list. My list was like 5, 000 or something. His was more like 30, 000. And so he sent me a lot of clients and that was a great partnership. But when it ended, when we decided to, do our own thing and quit partnering, I had to figure out how am I going to attract people on my own?
[00:14:48] Natalie: And it was interesting, Chanelle, because I thought that my list was burnt out, or I thought that everybody who wanted to work with me in my list had done it. But just in the last two [00:15:00] months, I have enrolled eight people in my Wisdom to Wealth course from my list.
[00:15:06] Chanelle: Yeah. What made you think that they were burnt out and that they were, tapped out?
[00:15:11] Chanelle: And what's the difference? Why did they end up enrolling and coming to work with you? I think I
[00:15:18] Natalie: I think I believed what some people had said, that your list gets cold after a while and if people don't work with you in like the first year they never will or, I believed things that people had said, [00:15:30] but also I was like looking at my open rates and seeing that, my list was shrinking because I wasn't doing anything to grow it and people, there's always going to be people who are unsubscribing and probably because I hadn't I didn't know anything new to do.
[00:15:45] Natalie: I didn't know of any other methods and I didn't want to use the old methods. But like right now, I'm running a challenge. I'm in the middle of a five day challenge, but the last three challenges I did were all five days in a row, which is [00:16:00] exhausting. I'm doing a five day challenge, but it's spread out over three weeks.
[00:16:05] Natalie: So we do one day and then there's a few days off and another day and it's fully gamified because, now that I've written this book on how to gamify your online course, and I've used the processes myself, I realized they just. Work amazingly. There's so much more engagement, and so I'm having a blast and it's not exhausting me.
[00:16:24] Chanelle: Yeah. What a great way to make it peaceful to do a five day challenge over several [00:16:30] weeks.
[00:16:30] Natalie: Exactly. So I just made it up. I just decided, okay, my teachers have all said you have to do it five days in a row. Does that have to be necessarily true? What if I can try something different? And so I am
[00:16:42] Chanelle: awesome.
[00:16:42] Chanelle: I love that. Okay. You've come a long way in your business. You've learned a lot of things along the way. What would you do differently knowing what you know now?
[00:16:54] Natalie: Oh that's a that's like a five hour conversation right there. But let's just talk about what I did in [00:17:00] with my book, writing in Peaceful Profits, because I think that I had an identity problem.
[00:17:06] Natalie: I think I couldn't see myself as an author. So Chanelle, I started out like dictating my book into a Google Doc, and then I wouldn't even read it. I couldn't even and it's gonna be a mess, text to type, what do you call it, talk to text, it makes mistakes, a lot of them. And so then I hired a ghost writer, and I didn't even read what she would write.
[00:17:29] Natalie: And [00:17:30] it and then I hired a, I kept hiring people to do it for me. And at the same time, I was going to the book I was going to Peaceful Profits's book call every week and Tina was helping me. And Tina was magnificent because Tina kept saying, you're doing great, keep going.
[00:17:45] Natalie: But she also kept saying, I think your topic, because at that time my book was about creating a premium program or a legacy program. And she kept saying, I think this gamification thing is what your book is about. And so finally I heard her, I was open enough to [00:18:00] accept that maybe she had a better idea than I did.
[00:18:03] Natalie: And so when I switched my book to being about gamification of online courses, then I got really charged up with energy, but I, I just kept hiring people along the way that I don't regret spending the money, but it wasn't until I finally started formatting the book that I actually read it. Now, you're going to think this is ridiculous.
[00:18:24] Natalie: How could a person write a book and not read it? But you can, because, I did. [00:18:30] And when I finally started reading it, because I was getting formatted, and I realized I'm going to read this as an audiobook. If I don't read it now, I'm going to find errors when I read it. In the audio and I'm going to want to change them.
[00:18:42] Natalie: And so finally I have read it three times now, and I have had several editors help me. And so what I would do differently is I would begin by writing it seriously and I would edit, I would write, read and edit right from the beginning. That's the thing that I [00:19:00] would do differently, but I don't know if I could have because just like I said, I think I had to evolve to see myself as an author and I wasn't there in the beginning.
[00:19:09] Chanelle: Yeah, I think that's something that we don't even recognize a lot of times it's hard to even recognize that is the barrier. And so that's really a poignant, deep insight there of why of getting to the why because. People may struggle [00:19:30] to get words on paper or they may struggle to go back and edit, but the fact that you've honed in on it's an identity thing, it's seeing myself as an author is the big block there.
[00:19:42] Chanelle: That's a big deal. And I bet there are a lot of people right there with you who maybe haven't quite realized it yet. Yeah. So what is in your business now? What is a recent business win that you've had?
[00:19:57] Natalie: I think two things. One, like I said, I've enrolled eight [00:20:00] new people. I've welcomed eight new people into Wisdom to Wealth in the last two months.
[00:20:04] Natalie: And one of the big wins about that is the last two, one of them was one of my book reviewers, like I put it out to this group I'm in, I said, I'm writing this book, I would love to have some I wrote it humorously, I said honest, and then I did a strikethrough by the word honest, I said raving, reviews, because I didn't really want feedback or criticism at that point, I just, and so one of my newest students was one of my book [00:20:30] reviewers, and she got to know me, like me, trust me, fall in love with me through reading my book, even though it was a earlier version with all kinds of errors and stuff.
[00:20:39] Natalie: And she, so when we had the conversation about her joining Wisdom to Wealth, she was absolutely pre sold. She came, wanting to do it. She was like talking, proving to me that she was a good candidate. And then Next one, although she hadn't written the, read the book, she had watched my YouTube videos of [00:21:00] me doing case study interviews with my students, and she mentioned their name.
[00:21:05] Natalie: I want to do what she's doing, and I really liked her story, and so I realized, oh, this could be foreshadowing of how it's going to be when my book. and funnel are out there and I'm meeting people who I've never met before, but they feel like they already know me because they read my book and they watched my videos.
[00:21:24] Natalie: Yeah.
[00:21:25] Chanelle: Oh, that's a fantastic win. Congratulations on all of it. The eight [00:21:30] people, but especially that part where people are coming to you. Knowing you knowing what you do, knowing that they want to work with you because of what you've put the content that you've put out in your book in your video. So that is amazing.
[00:21:46] Chanelle: We do, we see that in Peaceful Profits, people coming, having read the book and sold themselves. They're like, okay, I'm ready. Tell me what you offer because I am ready to go. I want to work here. I [00:22:00] want to be here in Peaceful Profits and do my business this way. And so that's wonderful to see that is working in your business.
[00:22:08] Chanelle: And you're just, that's just the tip of the iceberg of what you are going to be doing as you get this funnel out there.
[00:22:14] Natalie: One of the people who, so I offered a free coaching call to everybody who reviewed my book for me. And so one of them, we had our call this week and during the conversation, I was just helping her, with her ideas for a course and stuff.
[00:22:26] Natalie: And at one point she said, wait, you mean you have a course? [00:22:30] You have a course that I could join and you never told me about that, and I felt terrible because I didn't want to add these book reviewers to my list. It felt too oh, I'm trying to get their business, but I realized, you know what?
[00:22:42] Natalie: I was doing them a disservice because I didn't ask them, would you like to be on my list? And so she's joined my challenge. She's all excited. So it's Oh boy, this is going to happen.
[00:22:55] Chanelle: That's awesome. That's so good. And speaks to the point that we need to let [00:23:00] people know what we have and not be shy and sharing that.
[00:23:04] Chanelle: So what is next for your business?
[00:23:06] Natalie: Next, within the next month, maybe even three weeks or so, my Facebook ads are going to be going out. And we have been getting ready, my team and I, for months of how are we going to handle it when there are more people and, with my virtual assistant, getting everything that we can automated and all of that.
[00:23:26] Natalie: So I'm just excited. It feels like I've. I feel like [00:23:30] I'm ready. The unexpected can always happen, but I'm just excited for that I love it. i'm excited because at the end of this challenge, you know I'll be offering people the opportunity to join wisdom to wealth before the book goes live and I don't i'm not attached to I probably am attached like I hope some people join from the challenge, but but it's so super fun and I know that I can use these trainings that I've created in other ways, as gifts to people and stuff.
[00:23:58] Chanelle: Yeah. Yes. It's [00:24:00] wonderful. You have so many different avenues and different things. It sounds like working in your business. So what advice would you share with others that are, not quite as far along on the process, on the journey as you?
[00:24:16] Natalie: Can I address specifically people who want to join Peace for Profits or people who have?
[00:24:20] Chanelle: Sure. Yes. Absolutely.
[00:24:21] Natalie: Okay the trainings are top notch. They are really well done, and it may feel overwhelming, so I would [00:24:30] advise anybody who joins Peaceful Profits to just go one step at a time, but always implement as you're going. Don't do the thing where you listen to 15 videos and then you say, Oh, I'm going to go back and do it.
[00:24:44] Natalie: No. Watch the video, do the task. Watch the video, do the task. And I recommend that you carve out 30 minutes to an hour a day or, half a day on Saturday or something like that. So you really are going regularly and then trust the process. [00:25:00] Don't try to second guess it and say, Oh, I've had other coaching that has advised.
[00:25:04] Natalie: Nope. Just trust the process. Mike is brilliant. And the team that he's gathered to, help him, they are brilliant. And then go to the call, go to the life calls that relate to where you are. Like, at one point I was going to the sales calls because I was learning how to do those phone sales.
[00:25:22] Natalie: And then for months, six months or so, I went to the book call all the time. I've gone to the copy calls when I [00:25:30] needed them. And I've gone to the Facebook calls, just to learn a little bit about that. And so the. The training is there. It's robust. Just go step by step so that you don't get overwhelmed.
[00:25:42] Natalie: And then read your book as you're writing it. But the, the main thing, I think this is one of the biggest things that helped me. And it was that I have been masterminding with another Peaceful Profits student who is as committed to her business [00:26:00] success and to following the plan as I am.
[00:26:01] Natalie: At some point Brenda also joined Peaceful Profits because at first she was just going to do everything from the book, which is great. You can learn a lot from the one book millions and there's so much more, in the Peaceful Profits program. It has helped me a lot to know, like we're masterminding today.
[00:26:18] Natalie: We have our mastermind on Wednesday afternoon and I'll share with her, where I am and what's next and get her suggestions and her advice and we do that for each other. So I would really recommend that people who are new [00:26:30] that kind of look around in the Facebook group and on the calls and find somebody who they don't have to be in exactly the same place, but really helpful.
[00:26:41] Chanelle: Yeah, I that's fantastic advice. All of it as a coach within Peaceful Profits. I will second that Implement as you go. That is, that's brilliant because we definitely see, there are some people have a tendency to just want to watch the videos. You feel like you're doing something, but until you [00:27:00] implement, you're not actually doing it.
[00:27:01] Chanelle: And masterminding is brilliant. I think that's something that we can really listen and learn from because one thing that I'll point out is to see. Both your and Brenda's success. You have both been successful in this arena. And I think that as you learn from each other, as you have someone to bounce ideas off of, a rising tide raises all ships or whatever that thing is, but you [00:27:30] grow together.
[00:27:30] Chanelle: And so that's beautiful that you have that. And I think that's something we can definitely learn from. So that's fantastic advice.
[00:27:36] Natalie: If you want me and Brenda to do a little training on how to. Mastermind. We would love it.
[00:27:42] Chanelle: Oh, that's a great
[00:27:43] Natalie: idea.
[00:27:45] Chanelle: Yeah, because I'm sure there is, there are pieces of it that you could teach us.
[00:27:50] Chanelle: So fantastic idea. I love it. Now to wrap this episode up, how can our listeners find more about you and learn about your wisdom to wealth and other [00:28:00] programs.
[00:28:00] Natalie: The easiest way is on my website, which is nataliehill. me. And you're reminding me that I need to get my book on there and I need to get, way to have a conversation with me and all that, but that's my website.
[00:28:13] Natalie: That's my. One of my websites.
[00:28:17] Chanelle: Okay. Awesome. Natalie Hill don't meet Natalie. Thank you for being with us today.
[00:28:21] Natalie: Chanelle, you are welcome. And thank you for asking me. I know that I put you off for a long time because I didn't feel like I was ready. I didn't feel [00:28:30] like I could talk to you until my book was launched but I feel like, It's great to talk to people at different points along the path, and maybe we'll talk again in a couple months.
[00:28:39] Chanelle: All right. Let's do it. I would love that. So thank you for being here. Thank you everyone for listening, and we will see you next time on podcast. Bye bye.
