Peaceful Profits Podcast Ep. 114 - Transform Your Business with Powerful Storytelling Strategies!
Synopsis:
In this energizing episode of the Peaceful Profits Podcast, Chanelle Nielsen chats with Kris Jones, founder of Red Door Designs and creator of the Story Selling System.
Kris shares how her clients go from undercharging and dreading sales calls to confidently closing deals—sometimes at 6x their previous rate—simply by mastering one powerful asset: their story.
Mentored by Donald Miller and backed by experience with brands like Nike and Adidas, Kris now focuses on helping self-employed service providers simplify their messaging and amplify revenue.
Discover how her work with Peaceful Profits helped her double her income, clarify her offer, and build a website that sells—without the soul-sucking hustle.
Transcript:
Peaceful Profits Review: Transform Your Business with Powerful Storytelling Strategies!
[00:00:00] Chanelle: Hello, Peaceful Profits Nation. Chanelle here with an exciting client Spotlight episode for you today. So today we're talking to our client, Kris Jones. Kris, welcome to the podcast.
[00:00:10] Kris: Thank you for having me. I.
[00:00:12] Chanelle: I'm looking forward to this conversation. So let me introduce you all to Kris and let me introduce Kris to our audience.
[00:00:20] Chanelle: Most business owners miss out on sales because their website copy isn't working. Kris's signature story selling system helps them replace all their marketing [00:00:30] with a single story so they can attract more clients. Amplify revenue and enjoy more time freedom. Kris founded Red Door Stories in 2003 and was mentored by Donald Miller, author of Building a Story brand.
[00:00:43] Chanelle: She's worked with high profile companies, including Nike and Adidas, but her favorite clients are self-employed service providers because they struggle the most with copywriting and can experience the greatest benefits once they get their story right. Kris, to start off, I would love to hear some of just your [00:01:00] favorite client wins.
[00:01:02] Chanelle: That you've had.
[00:01:02] Kris: Wow. I've worked with all kinds of entrepreneurs, mostly service providers. There was one in particular. My client, Mike, he was on the verge of, he was burned out legit. And he, he was charging, he wasn't charging enough. And so we boosted him up and we got his copy dialed in and his visuals dialed in and he was able to charge [00:01:30] six times more for the exact same service.
[00:01:33] Kris: So that was a huge win.
[00:01:35] Chanelle: Yes. Wow. That is huge. Yeah. And I can imagine just what a difference that would make in his business.
[00:01:44] Kris: Huge. Huge. He is really thriving. Yeah. Yeah. He really began to move through the world with a lot more confidence.
[00:01:51] Chanelle: Yeah. That's awesome. Let's hear another one. I'd love to hear another client win 'cause that was so good.
[00:01:56] Kris: So I have a lot of clients who spend a lot of time on [00:02:00] sales calls and they dread it. They take a long time. They don't like the feeling of selling. And so what shifted the most for my clients is they really get on these calls and they don't feel like they have to sell anymore because they really understand the value that they're bringing to the table.
[00:02:22] Kris: So they just get on the call, they talk about the work that they do. They connect authentically, [00:02:30] and the byproduct of that is just they get more clients. So there's a client that I have who she was closing about 25% of her calls, which is actually not bad at all. And by the time we wrapped up working together, she was closing 95% of those calls.
[00:02:53] Kris: So she knew that essentially any call that was booked with her would essentially turn [00:03:00] into a new client.
[00:03:01] Chanelle: Okay. I love that one. That is amazing. Alright, I'm so glad you shared those because I'm sure listeners are very intrigued hearing those two client experiences because those are things. We all want in our business and really looking forward now to hearing more and learning more about how you do it.
[00:03:20] Chanelle: So one last thing y'all should know about Kris. Kris believes that writing copy for your own business doesn't have to feel like torture. In fact, once you know how to tell a [00:03:30] compelling signature story, it can actually be fast, easy, and fun. And I love that. So I love this idea about story to start off with.
[00:03:39] Chanelle: This is so great that you help your clients replace their marketing with a single story. So let's start with your story. What got you into this business?
[00:03:48] Kris: This? The work that I do is truly my calling. I, I found it early in my career, so I was in my early twenties when I got into marketing.
[00:03:59] Kris: I [00:04:00] started. As a brand designer, so I worked with a lot of really well-known companies, Nike being one. I've had Jeff Bezos as a client and worked with some really big corporations and learned a ton. Like I look back on that time and I'm so grateful for it, and it was really. In that era it was, design was it still is, design is so incredibly important and [00:04:30] that's where I really got experienced with visual storytelling.
[00:04:34] Kris: And that's really, that was like my first language in many ways. And I loved graphic design. I loved logo design, I loved website design. And that was really. My area of expertise and what happened eventually is that I went out on my own. I started my own business, was really passionate about [00:05:00] helping people that were similar to me, meaning solopreneurs, small business owners, entrepreneurial in spirit and.
[00:05:10] Kris: At that point in time, like all anybody needed to thrive as a business is just to even have a website. If you had a website, you were a legitimate business. This was early on in 2000, maybe five ish. And then as time went on, the landscape online changed. [00:05:30] And what I found is that. The words on the website became much, much more important.
[00:05:37] Kris: But I really, that really wasn't my area of focus. So what I would do is a client would come to me and hire me to design a website, and I would say, okay, your website copy is due on, let's just say April 1st. And, i'll never forget this one client named Elise. She was, she had been in the publishing industry.
[00:05:58] Kris: She was [00:06:00] very comfortable writing write with words, and she wanted me to do her website. So I said, okay, your copy is due on April 1st, and then I'll get going on the design and we'll be off and running. So April 1st came, I get a call from her and she was like. I don't know what is going on. I am completely stuck.
[00:06:26] Kris: Like the more I try and write this copy, the harder it is. The, [00:06:30] I'm not making any progress. It's actually getting worse. And she's I don't have anything to give you. This has been such a nightmare. Can you help me? And so we brainstorm a few ideas. I gave her the names of a couple copywriters. I.
[00:06:46] Kris: I, gave her some templates. I recommended she talk to some clients that she had worked with. But ultimately, I. None of those ended up working because, she couldn't outsource [00:07:00] her own voice. So the copy that other people were writing just didn't feel like her. And when you're the face of your own business it's really hard to outsource your own copy.
[00:07:11] Kris: I don't know anyone who can really nail that. And so thanks to Elise I just made it my mission to never let this happen again. She was not my first client who was struggling with this. And it manifested in many ways, like Elise was. Full on just stuck [00:07:30] and paralyzed and frustrated. I had other clients that would just write and write pages and pages of website copy, which is also not effective in helping you get new clients.
[00:07:44] Kris: And so at that point, I just made it my mission. I am not gonna let this happen again. I traveled across the country. I went to workshops, I read books. I even became one of the very first StoryBrand guides before the book building a StoryBrand even came out. [00:08:00] And so like after immersing myself for quite a long period of time, I.
[00:08:08] Kris: I just came out the other side. I never treated a project, excuse me. I never treated a project the same way again. I never worked on a project where I didn't infuse storytelling principles into the project, whether it was design or writing. Like it always, it began to elevate [00:08:30] everything that I worked on and.
[00:08:32] Kris: Not only that, like my business at that time, I was really re relying on referrals to keep my business going, which referrals are great, but they're very unpredictable and it's really a hard and stressful way to run a business. I of course applied everything that I had learned to my own website and my own marketing.
[00:08:57] Kris: And the same things started happening for [00:09:00] me too, like I was getting booked out with lead calls. I had clients traveling in, I live in Portland, so I had clients like taking the train here and road tripping here to meet me in person because they wanted to work with me. And it was really fun and exciting and I couldn't even believe the power of story and I will tell you like many years into doing this work, it still is it, it's not a surprise to me 'cause I understand why it works and the power [00:09:30] of it, and I've watched it time and time again with my clients, but I'm always delighted by the results that it actually delivers.
[00:09:38] Chanelle: One thing that is coming up for me that I would love for you to just take a step back and almost define story because I think that. I think there almost can come a panic for people when they hear that like story that sounds good. And then this moment of oh wait, what is my story? I don't know what my story is.
[00:09:58] Chanelle: So what or what a [00:10:00] story even is. So when we're talking about story, what? What do you mean exactly?
[00:10:06] Kris: That's such a good question because everybody thinks they know what a story is. We've all grown up getting stories read to us as children. But the type of story that I'm talking about, and even every movie you watch, every book you've ever read, it always begins with a hero that has a problem they don't know how to solve.
[00:10:26] Kris: That hero, about a third of the way into the [00:10:30] story, meets a guide who has a plan. A plan of how that hero can solve that problem. And when the hero follows that plan, they ultimately end up experiencing success and avoiding failure. That is the formula. It will ruin every movie for you moving forward. But that's the formula.
[00:10:51] Kris: And so when I talk about story for my clients, number one, I like, to let my clients off the hook because your story [00:11:00] isn't really about you, it's about your hero, and your clients are the hero. You are the guide in the story. So from for most of my clients, they're relieved that oh, I'm not like, I'm not, I don't wanna be the hero of my own story.
[00:11:15] Kris: I don't want this to be about me. Yes, you are. In the story, this is like really a way of inviting your potential clients into a narrative with you. A narrative where they play the role as the hero [00:11:30] and you play the role as the guide. So you're actually the strongest character in the story as the guide.
[00:11:36] Kris: The hero is the weakest character in this story, and that's why we never wanna be the hero of our own story. There's only room for one hero, and when you are the hero of your own story. Story. You literally kick your potential clients out of a narrative with you instead of inviting them into that narrative with you.
[00:11:55] Chanelle: So interesting. Okay. Thank you for that. I think that will help with context as [00:12:00] we talk. And just wanting to point out here, when I asked for your story in your business, if you guys weren't listening, if you guys didn't hear it, that is exactly what Kris did, right? This story was not. About, it was about your clients.
[00:12:15] Chanelle: You were the guide in that story. Here's how I helped this person. Here's what was happening. Here's how these people were coming and having this adventure. And so I think that's really powerful to see in action of how that works. I love that your business, [00:12:30] started off with marketing then really honed in on stories.
[00:12:34] Chanelle: How has it evolved and changed to now? What are you doing differently now in your business then as you've incorporated story?
[00:12:42] Kris: Yeah I think that the thing that I've been working toward for many years is simplifying my business. And. Really, the question I asked myself a few years ago was like, what's the biggest problem that I can solve in the shortest amount of [00:13:00] time?
[00:13:01] Kris: And. I, every client that I talk to is frustrated and fed up trying to write their own copy. It's so hard to do and it, and if you're a good writer, it's even harder because your standards are higher and you feel like, oh, I should be able to do this. But there's two things going on. One of them is the curse of knowledge, which just means you've been in your industry [00:13:30] long enough, you're you pretty much an expert and you've forgotten what it's like to not know what you know.
[00:13:37] Kris: And so this often like. Shows up as a website using terminology and lingo that like the new person coming to your website can't quite get. And so they feel stupid, which we would never want our potential clients to feel that way. And then the other piece is what I call the bottle [00:14:00] effect, which. Is really, essentially it affects everybody.
[00:14:05] Kris: It just means that you're inside of the bottle. Like when you're trying to write for your own business, you don't have the perspective that you need. You're inside the bottle trying to read the label. That can only be read from outside. And so I like to think of myself as like the person that they can come and look at your bottle and read the label for you and help you really identify the story because your story is truly [00:14:30] inside of you.
[00:14:30] Kris: It's inside of each and every one of us, and it's up to me to pull that and for lack of a better word, extract it from you. Or I like to call it mining for gold. The gold is in there. I just have to go in and identify it and. As entrepreneurs, we have so much happening in our brains at any given time.
[00:14:52] Kris: Ideas and client work and things we wanna do, and vacations we wanna take. Like it's just, it can feel [00:15:00] very overwhelming to try and identify what is the treasure of my story versus what is like the clutter and the noise. And so a big part of my work with my clients is really clearing out the clutter and really identifying that gold.
[00:15:15] Chanelle: I like that. And I like both of those analogies. The idea of mining for gold and then the bottle effect. I think that's really. It's real, it makes it very clear to me because, and we beat ourselves up ah, I'm in this bottle. I should be able to see it. But [00:15:30] obviously when you're saying that of course you can't see it from that angle.
[00:15:33] Chanelle: And so it's very helpful to have someone who can see a lot more clearly than you. So I love the work that you do. You came to Peaceful Profits a while back. Tell me what brought you here and what was going on in your business that led you to working with Peaceful Profits?
[00:15:50] Kris: I am a big fan of Mike Shreeve.
[00:15:53] Kris: I love his down to earth, simple [00:16:00] way of being. I love the way he communicates. I felt immediately like I could trust him. And I feel like Donald Miller is also a person you know of note that shows up in that way too. And both those two people, I just. Wanna be around people like that and digest at their content.
[00:16:22] Kris: And for me, I think it became, once I got really clear on my core offer and my main like high [00:16:30] ticket offer I realized that it was important to reach more people and make a bigger impact and. The way that peaceful Profits approaches funnels and book funnels and writing a book as an expert, it just really aligned with what I was wanting and also my very much like less is more keep it simple approach.
[00:16:57] Kris: That's like my mantra. [00:17:00] So it just, it felt really aligned and really natural to partner with peaceful Profits.
[00:17:06] Chanelle: So talk to us a little bit about what you've done here within Peaceful Profits.
[00:17:10] Kris: Yes. So I've written a book, number one using the guidance that I have found within Peaceful Profits. I have been working with Peaceful Profits now for about a year, to put together an build a funnel for me.
[00:17:26] Kris: And so again, just expanding my [00:17:30] impact, getting to reach more people. We haven't. We haven't gone live with the funnel yet. Like it's still in the building phases of things, but the coaching that I've received the coaching that I've received has been so good. No one's immune from the bottle effect, right?
[00:17:47] Kris: So even though this is the work I do it's so helpful for me to be able to work with your experts and have fresh eyes on my business, and I feel like. I've always been [00:18:00] quite goal oriented and I have a lot of drive, but my coach at Peaceful Profits, Margie, the way I look at it is she has.
[00:18:10] Kris: Seen a bigger dream and a bigger vision for me and my business than I could have really imagined for myself. So since working with Peaceful Profits, I've expanded my signature offer, so it delivers a lot more than it originally delivered. And [00:18:30] because of that. The investment for that work has gone up, which has made it a lot easier for me to reach my financial goals to really move the needle for my clients.
[00:18:41] Kris: That's just, there's many intangibles, but that's a really, like a tangible result. And so my numbers from last year versus this year are. Have greatly improved. Yeah, if I quit working this year in [00:19:00] September, I'd still be making way more than I made last year.
[00:19:05] Chanelle: Congratulations on that.
[00:19:06] Chanelle: And it's so good to hear too, especially when your book isn't out yet, your funnel isn't done yet. Your book is done, but you're not running it as a book funnel. And so that's so amazing because even while that's still in process. You've still increased the bottom line in your business.
[00:19:25] Chanelle: And so that's very powerful,
[00:19:27] Kris: isn't it? Like we haven't even yet [00:19:30] gotten live with the funnel, but it's completely changed my business and yeah it's been incredibly profound and I'm so delighted. Yeah.
[00:19:41] Chanelle: Yeah. Congratulations on that. That's a big deal. Thank you. Now recently a little bit ago you did a.
[00:19:49] Chanelle: Workshop within Peaceful Profits. Yes. And I have heard from my clients just so much about what a difference that made in their business [00:20:00] and you help them with their story. And so I'd like to learn a little bit more from you and for listeners. With this idea of story and crafting their story, can you talk to us about some of the principles that go in at some tangible things that they can start to do to really find that gold and to figure out what they need to be talking about?
[00:20:24] Kris: Definitely, I actually have a freebie that anybody can download and [00:20:30] it's a five minute video and it will walk you through getting started with this. Once you watch the video and fill out the worksheet, like you can refer to that anytime you're ever writing for your business. And so the idea is just to get the gold out of your head and onto paper so you can clear the clutter and.
[00:20:51] Kris: Part of that freebie was incorporated into the workshop that we did. So they're very much related. I. The main thing to [00:21:00] identify is really what are the problems that your clients are struggling with? Like when you get on the phone with them, in their words, what are they complaining about to you?
[00:21:10] Kris: And just brain dump three to five things that they're truly struggling with. And when we do this I, this is like the most important work we can do. Because when we began our communications in this way, really we're showing that we care about them more than we care about ourselves. [00:21:30] We really understand their struggle, and so they feel seen, they feel heard, they un feel understood.
[00:21:36] Kris: And what's really cool when we do this well is that they automatically think if we understand their problems so well, that we're the best ones to solve it. Even if we're not, they think that it's just a really incredibly powerful kind of psychology tool. So we wanna take the time to really articulate their problems [00:22:00] and then we wanna brain dump, like, how do we solve this problem for our client?
[00:22:04] Kris: And we wanna keep this real simple at five to eight words. How do we. How do we solve this problem? Do we put together a financial plan for them? Do we help them change their relationship with time? Do we restore their eyelids or whatever? Like it could be anything. How do you solve this problem?
[00:22:26] Kris: And in the story, you always wanna position your [00:22:30] service as the solution to those problems that you just brain dumped. And so that's you. This is like what I'm talking about is like the shortest story you'll ever write. It's two sentences long, but it's a full and complete story because it begins with a hero that has a problem about halfway through, a guide enters in with a solution, and then you wanna.
[00:22:53] Kris: You wanna also, this is in the worksheet you wanna bring them? What's the success? What's [00:23:00] the happy end result that they're gonna experience? After they've solved this problem. And this is not like features of the work that you do. This is what's their life like after they've worked with you?
[00:23:12] Kris: And so by really getting clear on those three things, and this is, like I said, it's part of the work that we did in the workshop, but it's truly the foundation of really shifting the way that you talk about your business to make it much more about the [00:23:30] hero and much less about you. I.
[00:23:33] Chanelle: Yeah. Do people ever I imagine that a shorter story is harder than a long story is, do you hear that a lot?
[00:23:42] Kris: Yes. I don't hear that a lot, but I know that to be true. I. And it is absolutely true. There's a, there was a president, I believe, I can't remember which one, who said this quote, which was, I would've written you a shorter letter, but I didn't have time. [00:24:00] And so that's what happens. We kind of brain dump and lots of stuff comes out.
[00:24:04] Kris: And really the key is because people don't really read what websites anymore, the key is to really trim and just storytelling can be a great filtration device. You filter out all the noise and you keep only the essentials and it is, it's very hard to write a very clear and concise story.
[00:24:27] Chanelle: I can see that because you [00:24:30] have to have this level of clarity that with just the president that said that you, there's so much more thought that goes into something brief where if you just spill it all out there. You don't have to have quite as much clarity. You don't have to have quite as much thought behind it.
[00:24:48] Chanelle: And there's a real power that comes from getting to that level of clarity so that you can keep it that brief
[00:24:55] Kris: completely. And not only that, when some, but when you do the heavy lifting [00:25:00] of doing that work ahead of time for your clients, they come to your website and they trust you because you're not wasting their time with a bunch of copy, and they're not having to figure things out themselves, it's just being spoonfed to them. So it's like another layer of trust and all of that kind of happens subconsciously, but it's oh, they're clear on what they do. They're showing me how I'm gonna benefit from it. They [00:25:30] understand the nuances of my struggle.
[00:25:34] Kris: I therefore can really trust this person's clear. They're a guide that I wanna work with versus the opposite where you end up leaking trust and waffling because you're overloading people with information. You haven't taken the time to be clear. Who wants to hire a guide who hasn't taken time to be clear about who they are and what they do?
[00:25:58] Kris: Right?
[00:25:59] Chanelle: Yeah. [00:26:00] Yeah, we are looking for that very strong, very powerful guide that's gonna just get us to where we wanna be and not take any detours, not get lost along the way. So I love this. I think this is so needed and so powerful. The things that you've shared. Now, one of the things that you said in your own business, in your own story, you used to play small and now you're not playing small anymore.
[00:26:23] Chanelle: I'd love to hear what that means to you, what that looks like.
[00:26:27] Kris: I think I really [00:26:30] had a lot of fear around visibility and I still, I wouldn't say I have a lot of fear around it, but I. I think I'm naturally drawn toward working one-on-one with clients and really having this intimate dig, deep, profound transformation, transformative experience.
[00:26:51] Kris: Like I've stayed true to that piece of myself. I think a lot of people will tell you if you wanna scale [00:27:00] your business, you have to do group work and you have to work with larger groups of people and I have just fundamentally, intentionally not gone down that path 'cause I don't feel like I can deliver what I deliver.
[00:27:16] Kris: In a group. So on one hand I've really kept things intimate there. On the other hand, I've become much more visible in my outreach and how I reach people. [00:27:30] And so the workshop that I did in partnership with Peaceful Profits was such a good example of that. I, I. I can't even a year ago couldn't have even imagined doing a workshop, a three hour workshop for over a hundred people.
[00:27:46] Kris: That was so incredible and such a thrill and it's taken time for me to get to that point. So I started, in different communities doing workshops and maybe [00:28:00] helping five or 10 or 15 people and got comfortable with that. But I will tell you my first workshop. That I did w was for two people.
[00:28:10] Kris: The two people showed up. I was so nervous, my armpits were sweating. Like it was a real, it was a real hurdle and a real stretch for me. But I was called to do it and I'm so like. Happy and thrilled [00:28:30] that I can show up now and have the have the ability to essentially reach more people and help more people and teach, because I think like fundamentally, like the teaching part for me is so fulfilling and I wanna be able to help people even if, they aren't able to work with me one-on-one and that feels good.
[00:28:49] Chanelle: Yeah.
[00:28:50] Kris: Yeah, that's,
[00:28:51] Chanelle: I, I love that, and I think that's really cool how you have been able to straddle that line between, [00:29:00] you're still giving that one-on-one attention where it's needed, but that added visibility just allows more people to. Make progress in their own business to craft their own story and then to move on and work with you if that is their next step.
[00:29:15] Chanelle: And I love that you're answering the call, right? You feel called to do it. And so you're stepping into that space, so that's good. Yes. As we close up here, I would love to hear advice that you would give to others who are really. In this space where they [00:29:30] feel like their story's not quite there yet.
[00:29:32] Chanelle: They aren't, they're stuck in the bottle. They're not quite sure what to do, how to figure this out. What would you say to them?
[00:29:42] Kris: That it's it doesn't have to be as hard as you think it is. Just truly like I created that freebie to get people unstuck. For no cost. And to help you really in five minutes understand the fundamentals of story [00:30:00] and how to apply it in your own business.
[00:30:02] Kris: And even if you just did that, it would change the way you talk about your business and the work that you do for forever. And the other thing I would say is that. I believe every business owner needs just one page on the web that sells for them. And when you take the time to just. Reduce the overwhelm.
[00:30:27] Kris: You just need one page. For me. It's my [00:30:30] homepage. My homepage, it's a heavy lifting homepage. It tells my whole story. It engages my clients. It clearly communicates the offer that I have, and allows them to book a call with me or purchase it right there. And like I have just. Put everything into this one page and that's all I need.
[00:30:51] Kris: And so no matter what I'm doing, where I'm talking, who I'm communicating with, I just know I send people to that page and I know that [00:31:00] page is doing the heavy lifting of selling for me. And that way I can get on my sales calls and they're already queued up and excited about working together, and I don't feel like I have to sell.
[00:31:12] Kris: It's like it's such a time saver and it can also be. Such a relief to have boundaries, like to talk about your pricing. If things are uncomfortable for you in person, let your homepage or that one page [00:31:30] online, do that work for you until you can get more comfortable doing it yourself. Yeah,
[00:31:36] Chanelle: I, I love that you're practicing what you preach.
[00:31:39] Chanelle: You have truly simplified your business right to this very here's what it is, and that it's doing that heavy lifting for you because that makes such a big difference in, in the way we feel about our business and in, in the profitability of our business and all those things. But it makes your business a joy to run at the same time, because you're not getting on these soul [00:32:00] sucking sales calls.
[00:32:01] Chanelle: It's calls with people who come. Ready to go because they have read what you've so carefully crafted on that page.
[00:32:10] Kris: Yes. And we are wearing so many hats running your own business, like so many hats. So how can we reduce overwhelm with all those hats like. A website in general can be a very overwhelming, daunting, usually there's a lot of like [00:32:30] emotion around it.
[00:32:30] Kris: Like either you're ashamed of it or you're overwhelmed by it. You don't know where to begin it, you don't. It's rare that I meet someone who's proud of their website and that feels like it's a true reflection of who they are and doing the work for them and anything you can do to just simplify.
[00:32:49] Kris: And I think websites can be such a tangible way to simplify life and simplify your business. Like they really, [00:33:00] it should really be working for you in that way.
[00:33:02] Chanelle: Yeah.
[00:33:03] Kris: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:33:03] Chanelle: Okay. I know that listeners are excited to go and learn more about you. You've talked about this amazing freebie that you have.
[00:33:12] Chanelle: We'd love to hear more about that. So where can people get more? I.
[00:33:17] Kris: Everything about me. You can find at my website, red door designs.com, R-E-D-D-O-O-R-D-E-S-I-G-N s.com. At that website you [00:33:30] can download my freebie and watch that it's called Five Minutes to Compelling Copy and you can download that, watch the five minute video and at no cost, like really get the ball rolling with your own story.
[00:33:45] Kris: I. You can also book a moneymaking messaging call with me. That's also free, and that's a 40 minute call with me. And together we'll look at your website and really identify like where are the holes in your boat, like as far [00:34:00] as storytelling goes, where do you need to boost your story up and what's working, what's not.
[00:34:06] Kris: And then you can also find out also at my website, how to work with me one-on-one.
[00:34:12] Chanelle: Okay, perfect. Red door designs.com I think that is amazing. We will go and check it out. Kris, thank you for being here and for all the things that you've taught us today.
[00:34:22] Kris: Ah, thank you for having me. It was so much fun.
[00:34:25] Kris: Chanelle.
[00:34:26] Chanelle: Yeah, this was great. I've learned a lot. I. Everyone [00:34:30] go and check out her website and if you are interested in working with us here at Peaceful Profits, peaceful Profits.com/call, we are always happy to meet our listeners and thank you. We'll see you next time. Bye
bye.
